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Came across this topic on my fishing forum and thought I would pass it along. It will give more ammunition to Ken and DL. Michelle (Texas_Travilers) you may want to take Ken up on his offer to help you get a Chevrolet truck. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on an '08 Ford but think I will stay "pat" for awhile.http://www.matagorda.com/fishing-forum/viewtopic.php?t=401
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: 08 F250
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Thinking about pulling the trigger on one. Any advise would be appreciated other than geting a second job to afford one.
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My personal opinion would be to wait till at least 1010, let them iron out the kinks, I guess your talking about the 6.8 twin turbo diesel? I heard just to do minor work on the engine you have to remove the front clip and cab.
But they do that now for transmission and other bigger jobs.
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Thinking that myself because I heard that they had some real problems with the 6.0 when it first came out.
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I have an 04 6.0 liter diesel and I have had very few problems if any. I heard most of the people that were having problems were the ones who reprogrammed the computer to boost performance from factory settings. This was giving it more torque than the engine and transmission could take causing major problems.
In the case of buying a new one, you will pay a premium right now. If you wait and buy a 2008 model when the 2009 comes out you will be able to get big rebates and dealer discounts. As far as working out the kinks, both ford and chevy had to do so with their last diesel engines so you might wait a year or two.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:03 am Post subject:
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Thanks catch and your right about paying premium right now. Checked 4 dealerships and they are all in the 48K range.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:04 am Post subject:
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Your right about the performance chip on the 6.0L, Catch, but I understood it was causing too much back pressure and loading up the engine, people should know that if they're going to use a chip, they need to follow through with high flow air filters and open up the exhaust or your doing more harm than good........I miss my 7.3L, I also recently talked to a Ford service manager and he said you don't want to let your 6.0 idle for very long due to an EGR valve becoming carboned up and causing problems.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:
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I had my EGR valve replaced at about 30k miles. I did not know that letting the engine idle for long periods of time could cause this problem. The dealer did not tell me anything when they replaced it under warranty. Thanks for the info....
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject:
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Just found out last week. 80k on a 6.0L, might just go ahead and replace it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject:
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Mine was covered under warranty but I believe the bill was about $400... The truck runs fine when it goes out, it is when you punch it that you will notice the truck choking and smoking when this valve goes out.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:19 am Post subject:
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If you get the 4x4 watch the rivets that hold the front drive together, they "woller" out quickly if you are in tough terain at all and replacing them with mark9 or harder bolts from a caterpillar dealer will save you an expensive repair later.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:45 am Post subject:
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I'll have to check those rivets, I'll probably change the valve myself, I haven't looked at it closely, but I didn't think its was a very big job....I could be wrong.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:
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People have changed the EGR valve themselves but I think you need a special puller from Ford to make the job easier. As someone else said earlier, I wouldn't touch a 6.4L for a couple of years. The 2008 is a hell of a nice truck though. I've got over 100,000 on my 6.0L and it's been pretty much trouble free. The Ford tech at my dealership told me that the key to keeping the 6.0L in shape is to change the oil religiously, 3000-5000 miles depending on use. I don't let the oil get over 5000 miles on it. The injectors on these things are real fickle and this engine tends to break down the viscosity of the oil quicker. Also you should be running some diesel additive from time to time, such as Power Service Diesel Kleen, to keep the fuel system lubed and clean.
If Ford could have somehow mated the 7.3L with the 5 speed Torqshift and put it in the 2008 model, then they would have a truck. But there's no way to make the 7.3L emissions compliant and the 7.3L went by the wayside. I'm scared that the 6.4L will be a technical nightmare before its all over. Too much shitt packed under the hood, and not to mention all the emissions regen crap on the exhaust.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:39 am Post subject:
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Id say if you want one, buy it now. I read an article the other day that Ford failed to pay navistar (people who make the powerstroke engine) and they shut down the plants that made them. And it wasnt on some off the wall site, i believe it was cnn money.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: yeah
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They've worked it out now for Navistar to once again make their engines. The problem was due to the 6.0 being a terrible engine and Ford and Navistar had quarrels about who should pay what percent of the warranty work. I've personally heard of and read about so many problems with the 6.0, I can see why. But I guess people that buy Fords are used to that kinda stuff, so it doesn't come across as a big deal to you guys. "Trouble free" means you only have to have warranty work every month or so right? But anyways, I would definitely wait a little while, maybe till the '09 models come out (which will probably be in the middle of the summer with the way things are going these days ) so they get some of the bugs worked out and prices drop. A buddy of mine is going to wait for the fall because that is when they will start offering decent rebates on the 08's. Right now they are trying to clear out the older models.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject:
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Recalls already
Like the topic of the thread states...
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Ford Motor Co. on Wednesday told dealers to temporarily stop selling certain 2008 F-series Super Duty diesel pickups after receiving reports of flames shooting out of the vehicle's tailpipe.
Ford said it was recalling 37,400 F-Series Super Duty trucks with 6.4-liter diesel engines. The majority of the pickups -- 29,000 -- were still on dealer lots, the automaker said.
Ford spokesman Dan Jarvis said it received three reports of flames coming from the truck's tailpipe, caused by leaking fuel that ignited in the exhaust system's diesel particulate filter near the tailpipe.
"It's really something that we noticed early on and we're moving swiftly to fix the problem," Jarvis said.
There have been no injuries or vehicle fires connected to the recall. There has been one report of a grass fire in Texas that was quickly extinguished, he said.
Jarvis said the flames could only occur in engines with leaking fluids, which he said was very rare. Two of the complaints involved leaking fuel injectors and the other involved leaks coming from a crack in the turbocharger shaft.
The automaker will have dealers upgrade software for the powertrain control module, which will power down the engine under higher-than-expected temperatures in the diesel particulate filter. Similar software updates will take place at the Louisville, Ky., plant where the trucks are built.
Jarvis said the stop sale order should only last a few days as dealers reprogram the software. Owners of the remaining 8,400 trucks will be notified about the recall in early April and will be able to have the software upgrade at no charge.
In a separate action, fewer than 10,000 of the trucks will have the battery cable rerouted to avoid chafing against a shield in the engine compartment that prevents water and mud from getting into the engine.
Ford said the recall does not affect gasoline-powered pickups or those with 6.0-liter or 7.3-liter diesel engines.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: 08 F250
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Thinking about pulling the trigger on one. Any advise would be appreciated other than geting a second job to afford one.
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Papa M.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:07 am Post subject:
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My personal opinion would be to wait till at least 1010, let them iron out the kinks, I guess your talking about the 6.8 twin turbo diesel? I heard just to do minor work on the engine you have to remove the front clip and cab.
But they do that now for transmission and other bigger jobs.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:16 am Post subject:
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Thinking that myself because I heard that they had some real problems with the 6.0 when it first came out.
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catchnrelease
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:27 am Post subject:
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I have an 04 6.0 liter diesel and I have had very few problems if any. I heard most of the people that were having problems were the ones who reprogrammed the computer to boost performance from factory settings. This was giving it more torque than the engine and transmission could take causing major problems.
In the case of buying a new one, you will pay a premium right now. If you wait and buy a 2008 model when the 2009 comes out you will be able to get big rebates and dealer discounts. As far as working out the kinks, both ford and chevy had to do so with their last diesel engines so you might wait a year or two.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:03 am Post subject:
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Thanks catch and your right about paying premium right now. Checked 4 dealerships and they are all in the 48K range.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:04 am Post subject:
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Your right about the performance chip on the 6.0L, Catch, but I understood it was causing too much back pressure and loading up the engine, people should know that if they're going to use a chip, they need to follow through with high flow air filters and open up the exhaust or your doing more harm than good........I miss my 7.3L, I also recently talked to a Ford service manager and he said you don't want to let your 6.0 idle for very long due to an EGR valve becoming carboned up and causing problems.
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catchnrelease
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:
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I had my EGR valve replaced at about 30k miles. I did not know that letting the engine idle for long periods of time could cause this problem. The dealer did not tell me anything when they replaced it under warranty. Thanks for the info....
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject:
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Just found out last week. 80k on a 6.0L, might just go ahead and replace it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject:
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Mine was covered under warranty but I believe the bill was about $400... The truck runs fine when it goes out, it is when you punch it that you will notice the truck choking and smoking when this valve goes out.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:19 am Post subject:
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If you get the 4x4 watch the rivets that hold the front drive together, they "woller" out quickly if you are in tough terain at all and replacing them with mark9 or harder bolts from a caterpillar dealer will save you an expensive repair later.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:45 am Post subject:
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I'll have to check those rivets, I'll probably change the valve myself, I haven't looked at it closely, but I didn't think its was a very big job....I could be wrong.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:
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People have changed the EGR valve themselves but I think you need a special puller from Ford to make the job easier. As someone else said earlier, I wouldn't touch a 6.4L for a couple of years. The 2008 is a hell of a nice truck though. I've got over 100,000 on my 6.0L and it's been pretty much trouble free. The Ford tech at my dealership told me that the key to keeping the 6.0L in shape is to change the oil religiously, 3000-5000 miles depending on use. I don't let the oil get over 5000 miles on it. The injectors on these things are real fickle and this engine tends to break down the viscosity of the oil quicker. Also you should be running some diesel additive from time to time, such as Power Service Diesel Kleen, to keep the fuel system lubed and clean.
If Ford could have somehow mated the 7.3L with the 5 speed Torqshift and put it in the 2008 model, then they would have a truck. But there's no way to make the 7.3L emissions compliant and the 7.3L went by the wayside. I'm scared that the 6.4L will be a technical nightmare before its all over. Too much shitt packed under the hood, and not to mention all the emissions regen crap on the exhaust.
Omar
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:39 am Post subject:
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Id say if you want one, buy it now. I read an article the other day that Ford failed to pay navistar (people who make the powerstroke engine) and they shut down the plants that made them. And it wasnt on some off the wall site, i believe it was cnn money.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: yeah
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They've worked it out now for Navistar to once again make their engines. The problem was due to the 6.0 being a terrible engine and Ford and Navistar had quarrels about who should pay what percent of the warranty work. I've personally heard of and read about so many problems with the 6.0, I can see why. But I guess people that buy Fords are used to that kinda stuff, so it doesn't come across as a big deal to you guys. "Trouble free" means you only have to have warranty work every month or so right? But anyways, I would definitely wait a little while, maybe till the '09 models come out (which will probably be in the middle of the summer with the way things are going these days ) so they get some of the bugs worked out and prices drop. A buddy of mine is going to wait for the fall because that is when they will start offering decent rebates on the 08's. Right now they are trying to clear out the older models.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject:
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Recalls already
Like the topic of the thread states...
start ------>
Ford Motor Co. on Wednesday told dealers to temporarily stop selling certain 2008 F-series Super Duty diesel pickups after receiving reports of flames shooting out of the vehicle's tailpipe.
Ford said it was recalling 37,400 F-Series Super Duty trucks with 6.4-liter diesel engines. The majority of the pickups -- 29,000 -- were still on dealer lots, the automaker said.
Ford spokesman Dan Jarvis said it received three reports of flames coming from the truck's tailpipe, caused by leaking fuel that ignited in the exhaust system's diesel particulate filter near the tailpipe.
"It's really something that we noticed early on and we're moving swiftly to fix the problem," Jarvis said.
There have been no injuries or vehicle fires connected to the recall. There has been one report of a grass fire in Texas that was quickly extinguished, he said.
Jarvis said the flames could only occur in engines with leaking fluids, which he said was very rare. Two of the complaints involved leaking fuel injectors and the other involved leaks coming from a crack in the turbocharger shaft.
The automaker will have dealers upgrade software for the powertrain control module, which will power down the engine under higher-than-expected temperatures in the diesel particulate filter. Similar software updates will take place at the Louisville, Ky., plant where the trucks are built.
Jarvis said the stop sale order should only last a few days as dealers reprogram the software. Owners of the remaining 8,400 trucks will be notified about the recall in early April and will be able to have the software upgrade at no charge.
In a separate action, fewer than 10,000 of the trucks will have the battery cable rerouted to avoid chafing against a shield in the engine compartment that prevents water and mud from getting into the engine.
Ford said the recall does not affect gasoline-powered pickups or those with 6.0-liter or 7.3-liter diesel engines.