Help! RVs needed for Katrina Evacuees!

Discussion in 'General RVing' started by rvforhumanity, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. C Nash

    C Nash Senior Member

    Help! RVs needed for Katrina Evacuees!

    Update: Ten oclock news just reported that a man posing as a katrina victim was arested in Huntsvill Al. Someone had taken him into there home and he had even signed up with the RED CROSS. News is warning against taking any unknown into your home or donating anything to sources other than directly to churches or known charities. Sad but, this is the world we live in.
     
  2. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    Nash, I think the guy is just a plain freak trying to stir up trouble. He only had the one post. He's just a troll.
     
  3. rvforhumanity

    rvforhumanity New Member

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    Dear RV Community,
    I am here to thank the wonderful donors that have come forward to offer shelter to those in need. We are real people working this effort as volunteers, trying to help. It is sad that people would use this tragedy to scam the community. If you have any concerns about about who we are and what we are doing email us at info@rvforhumanity.org. We will contact you and provide references and anything else you may want. Also, please keep watching our website. We will be posting pictures of the RVs arriving in Baton Rouge etc. and the great help these units provide to those in need. Please make this dialogue focus on the positive aspects of this effort as we are overwhelmingly encouraged by the response we have received from the RV community. Thanks to all of you helping promote this effort.

    One final comment. FEMA is in dialogue with us. However, they are overwhelmed with requests and will not be able to meet this enormous need. Please don't assume that everything is being taken care of by these agencies and thus it is not necessary to help. Nothing could be further from the truth. Please help us spread the word that many more Campers/RVs are needed urgently as soon as possible!

    Regards,
    E Thompson
     
  4. rvforhumanity

    rvforhumanity New Member

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    One final note: We are only taking Donations. The loan option is not being implemented as it is way too complicated. The title to units donated goes directly into the hands of the church in Baton Rouge, LA where the units are being parked and the families are being served. As soon as a family has access to their home the RV goes to another family waiting for a private space.
     
  5. turnipbwc

    turnipbwc New Member

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    I would not know who to help and if they needed help anyway. Three of the people they sent to Camp Dawson in WV turned out to be sex offenders and one assulted a young girl. Do you think I should help that man find a place to live. I think not, maybe the law will give him a place to live now.
    You think I should loan my RV so a sex offender can have his way with young girls/boys ? Never in my life time will I loan out my RV.
     
  6. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    So sad turnip but, so true. I heard on Fox News yesterday about the background checks on evacuees from New Orleans from three different states and almost half were law breakers including felonies. That's an awful high percentage of unsavory people. I really don't like the odds of lending my RV to someone who has a 50% chance of being a felon! Sorry, I'll keep my trailer to myself and hope that the money I donate to Salvation Army gets to the innocent victims. :(
     
  7. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    P.S. Not to sound mean... But, yesterday I also heard on the news that the few people in New Orleans that had went back said they were going to take their chances with Rita! It's hard to feel sorry for people who intentionally put themselves in harms way and then expect to be bailed out by the kindness of strangers and the Government! At least the Gov. Blanco gave them some sage advice: If they do stay they should write their SS number on their arm in indelible ink [for identification purposes when they die].
     
  8. DL Rupper

    DL Rupper Senior Member

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    I don't think most of these do gooders have any idea how much the RV's cost and what they mean to ordinary good o'l folks. We work our entire life so we can afford to buy a RV and enjoy what's left of our life and along comes the do gooders wanting us to donate our RV's to a bunch of criminals that have never worked a day in their lives. The same bunch accuse good old "George W" of not doing enough, after all what's a few billion of our tax money to buy these people a "trailer trash" RV. Between our monetary donations and our tax money, I believe most Americans are doing what we can to help the hurricane victims. The only people I know that can afford to donate a RV, are the "Hollywood" bunch that bad mouth all the main stream Americans that live in the "Red States". I don't see them (Hollywood types) in the trenches working or donating their RV's. The folks that really need our help are in Mississippi and Alabama, but they are pitching in trying to help themselves. No you won't see them on TV, because the Media can't seem to show anything but New Orleans flooding.
    I would like to know how many do gooders are actually in the disaster area working with their hands and not their mouths. The only folks I know that are in the disaster area and actually doing something are the maligned Military. The do gooders hate them until they are needed. I don't see the environmentalists, war protesters, Bush bashers doing anything but bad mouthing all efforts being employed to help the hurricane victims. Yes I have some knowledge about the Military effort currently in place to help. My son (Air Nat'l Guard)left his wife and kids at home and is in Hattiesburg, Ms working communications between all responders. As soon as this crisis is over he will once again become part of the maligned Military.
     
  9. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    EXCELLENT POST! I totally agree with everything you said!

    Our fine brave Military puts up with so much crap and I'm so tired of it! I support our Military 100%. My DH is a 100% disabled Marine and we are proud of him! Thank God for our Military Heroes!
     
  10. Geometricenigma

    Geometricenigma New Member

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    "One final note: We are only taking Donations. The loan option is not being implemented as it is way too complicated." rvforhumanity

    Ya, I'll bet it is.
     
  11. hertig

    hertig Senior Member

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    Dear Jesusfreak. Although as far as I recall, 'Jesus Freak' was sometimes used as a term of derision, I will assume that you really do follow Jesus. After all, someone who follows the Bible is probably on the right track.

    You need to ask yourself if Jesus would appreciate your behavior in His name. Insulting people for not doing something potentially stupid, particularly if you are missing some of the facts, does not sound like Christian behavior, or even reasonable behavior. You may want to find out what the people on this forum HAVE done for the victims of Katrina. You may find out that they have done more than even you have...

    Have you loaned a RV to the relief efforts? If so, I pray that you get it back in reasonable condition, but I fear the odds are not great. Lets face it, some of the people displaced by the storm are criminals, who are not known for taking any care of other peoples property. And many more have not made the best choices in their lives, and thus are unwilling and/or unable to take care of any property, theirs or others.

    But let us say that a family which fully appreaciates it and intends to do no harm does get in the loaned RV. RVs are different from houses, or even trailers which are not meant to be moved. They have their own fragilities and different requirements and techniques to do everyday tasks (such as using the toilet). Will the loanees get even the hour or two introduction to the unit that the new owner should have received? Will they have the time, money and motivation to experiment and do the required maintenance or even just read the manuals? Will they at least have previous experiance with a RV? If not, even if they attempt to take care of the unit, the chances are good that damage will occur.

    If you have not loaned a RV, you may want to consider the justification for chiding others for not doing what you did not or can not do.
     
  12. jesusfreak

    jesusfreak New Member

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    Dear Hertig:

    Thanks for your response. I am Jesusfreak's husband, and have just reviewed all of the responses on this site. She is a lot nicer than I am; she would never respond to the misguided and in some cases hate-filled entries I have read above. But I will. First, so you'll know -

    Jesusfreak has worked tirelessly, everyday, usually for 16-18 hours a day, since Katrina to help families displaced by Katrina. Working with the Red Cross and FEMA (which from my first hand observation and experience really is as inept, if not worse, than the media has shown), as well as coordinating with local churches and other people willing to help, she has helped provide almost 40 people longer term housing. This is after helping to obtain free or reduced cost housing at local motels for several weeks and helping to obtain local church support and other private sources to cover costs for simple every day things like a change of clothes, soap, etc. Additionally, all of the families with which she has had contact have children which have been removed from school - they now have had assistance to enroll in local schools. Some have stayed in our home for a night or two so that their parents - confined in a motel room, could have some time to themselves and the kids could play with our kids and in our neighborhood, go swimming, go to church, etc. - at least some sense of normalcy for even a night or two. Bottom line - I doubt anyone has worked any harder than she has to help others for no reason other than care and concern for her fellow man. (And in case you're wondering, it has all been as a volunteer -neither she nor I receive anything in return except the satisfaction of helping others).

    I a vaguely familiar with the family for which she sought a camper, trailer, RV, or whatever you prefer to call your vehicles. They lost everything they owned. The lived in a small fishing village south of New Orleans, and the village is gone, too. You may have seen some media stories about it. The Father wants an opportunity to rebuild his small fishing business as well as to help rebuild his community. There is no place for him to stay, nor to take his wife and children. An RV will give him a chance to make a go at it while his children go to school until he can re-establish a livelihood. Not that I read anything remotely sounding like concern from anyone, but we have found a kind person who has agreed to assist the Family by loaning the use of their RV so this family will at least have a chance to start over. The family insists on providing compensation of some type as soon as they are able - they reluctantly accept the proverbial "hand up" and not the "hand out."

    The position of some not to make available their RV doesn't bother me, and I don't think it bothered Jesusfreak. Everyone has to decide for themselves at what level he or she is comfortable in sharing of themselves. I have my own limits. What does bother me, however, and concerns me more generally than just in the context of the Hurricane relief effort, is the angry bitterness that shows through in so many cases today. The visceral response from some to a request for help and the wrong assumptions made about someone in need hit her pretty hard. She always looks for the good in people, not their limitations (and we all have limitations). Just because there are some bad folks in the world - felons, perverts, any other "types" that bother you or me - doesn't mean everyone is bad and that it should cause you to rail against helping anyone. Jesus spoke in terms of helping the stranger, the hungry, the homeless, etc. - I am not aware of any "safe harbor exception" for those people who are unlikable.

    In this family's situation, mobile housing was needed. If you don't choose to help in the way that's needed, it's your deal - you live with it. If you feel insulted because you get called to task for your own bilious and inflammatory slams, maybe the questions are better directed internally. There are a lot of people in need of a hand up, and many of them are hard working, decent people whose only fault was living in an area that nature has destroyed.

    To address your specific questions, I am confident that the Lord smiles brightly on the works of my wife. Christianity is a religion of ironies - we are called to do things that are in the best interests of others, not just ourselves and sometimes not ourselves at all. And usually that means helping people who are not then as well off - in a worldly sense - as ourselves. I prefer to call acts of unreasonable kindness something besides stupid, but I suppose helping others for no apparent reason might appear stupid to some. I do hope you are right that the people in this forum "have done more than even [she has]." As I started off above, however, I am not as nice as my wife and will say that unfortunately I am pretty confident that those who responded with the most venom have not - hate toward anyone takes a lot of time and energy, and I just don't think they have the time to really commit themselves at the level she has for many people before and after Hurricane Katrina. If we had an RV we would have already made it available, but we have made our home available, we have provided clothing, we have provided furniture, we have provided time, we have provided transportation, and we have provided money. You are correct that some people displaced by the storm are criminals; but many are not. For example, the 84 year old woman and 15 year old granddaughter that Jesusfreak helped get on a plane yesterday at an airport 100 miles away - neither of whom had ever flown - to meet extended family with whom to live on the east coast - didn't look like criminals, but who knows - maybe grandma was an escapee. But I know she and her granddaughter were scared, alone, and had all their possessions in a single bag. There are thousands and thousands of people in similar circumstances, and I doubt most of them are criminals, sex offenders, property vandals, or whatever else some would use as an excuse not to help anyone.

    The sad thing to me is how serendipitously Jesusfreak ended up on this site with a simple search looking to help someone and how quickly some blasted her with zeal. Fortunately, the responses from most others have been positive; as such, I know she was shocked to get such strong negative feedback from this site. I know it's not a perfect world, but I am sure glad there are still some people in the world like my wife who keep working to move us in that direction. Somehow, in your own ways, I hope each person reading this will work toward that goal, too.

    With no further response forthcoming,

    Mr. Jesusfreak
     
  13. C Nash

    C Nash Senior Member

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    Guess we are not supposed to question anything anymore just do as all the good doers ask. By the way did I see where the CEO of Red
    Cross made a half million salery last year :eek: . great what we can do with a non profit orginazation. Not knocking the real people that are out helping under the name of Red Cross. I admire them for there time and eforts.
    Mr. jesusfreak i also admire what you and yours are doing but some of us working slobs are still having to work to support our families. maybe you could help us pay the 2000.00 to provide housing for my 106 year old motherinlaw or help us with my 90 year old Mother that we are caring for and no my wife is not capable of all the needs of her Mother. We cared for her in our home as long as possible. By the way think maybe you should change your name oh well maybe not since you'll are perfect.
     
  14. turnipbwc

    turnipbwc New Member

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    This whole thing about loaning or renting your RV is making me sick. I gave what I could afford and that's it for me.
     
  15. C Nash

    C Nash Senior Member

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    Just received the following e-mail from John Harrelson. Shows that rvers are doing what they can.

    Don't have regular internet used here in Louisiana and Mississippi due to hurricane destruction. am using local wifi to send this message.

    please hold all jokes, pictures, etc until I return home sometime after Christmas.. I don't have time or internet access for long enough to download them.. Text messages are OK..

    Am in Algiers, LA at moment, but have been all over LA and Miss. since Sept. 1st. Horrible conditions.. dead bodies and destroyed homes and businesses,

    If you are a believer,, pray for these people.. they are totally devastated.. no water, no food, no place to even pray, as the churches are damaged to bad to use..

    gotta go, time running out, working 18 hour days

    Chelse, please tell all RV forum members that I miss them and will be home hopefully after Christmas

    will try to send photos of devastation later...

    John
     
  16. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    You say your wife is nicer than you are! Well, I do not find what she said very nice OR Christian!


    QUOTE:
    jesusfreak

    2 Posts

    Posted - Sep 22 2005 : 10:16:52 PM Show Profile Reply

    Wow, I know I never knew owning a RV meant you threw your soul out of the window.



    So we don't have souls. How can she judge us? Is she such a freak that she thinks she IS Jesus?




    QUOTE:
    I did a search for "donate RV to Katrina victims" and found your site. Goodness you are a bunch of selfish people.



    So she calls us selfish. Nice calling people she doesn’t even know names! I don’t think that’s very Christian like either!




    QUOTE:
    ”Donate my RV????, I feel sorry for the Katrina victims, but..." For your information there are a number of generous people in my state who have willingly loaned RVs to evacuees to use while they rebuild in LA and MS. Some people in this world are actually giving people homes to live in for FREE!



    That’s great! Wonderful! That still doesn’t give you the right to jump on this board with your very first post and blast the tar out of us! Excuse me! Who’s throwing the first stone here!




    QUOTE:
    Why? Because they have compassion for their fellow man. Most poeple affected by this tragedy are hardwoking, honest Americans, they just happened to live in the path of a Cat. 4 hurricane.



    The people on this board are also hardworking, honest Americans, they just happen to work hard for something (probably ALL their lives) and most of the time (as is MY situation) LIVE IN THEIR RV FULL-TIME! It IS my home! And I’m sorry but it only sleeps TWO!




    QUOTE:
    I certainly hope none of you ever find yourself homeless with your precious RV blown away. I always like to refer to Matthew, Chapter 35 verse 31-46. "For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in...I was homeless and you did nothing... He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me'" You should read it before it is too late for you, you bunch of goats!



    Well, if you ask me your wife should re-read the Bible and say a penitence for calling complete strangers “a bunch of goats!’ Real nice! Really makes her point like a true, blue Christian huh? Instead of quoting the Bible that she obviously does not abide by, she needs to be reading it instead!
     
  17. Krazeehorse

    Krazeehorse New Member

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    OK, I can't keep my mouth shut any longer. I can't afford to give the Wienerbeagle away. And I am not comfortable loaning her out with her list of idiosyncrisies. But I know there are good people like my sons and my mother and my brother who could have benefited from it. And I also know MOST people do good in this world. The media likes to focus on the bad. Like the bad victims of Katrina in the dome and the ones trying to scam and benefit from the storm. But good people lost everything too and good people are out pitching wherever they can to get even the tiniest bit of help. So while I am keeping the RV home, I hear you Mr. and Mrs. Jesusfreak.
     
  18. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    You know Krazeehorse I hear them too. I am very glad we have people willing to help others. I have helped others too. However, when a person comes on here because she was searching for a site and reads our posts and jumps to the conclusion that we are a 'bunch of goats' that's where I take offense and to me she loses all her credibility of being a sincere poster.

    I still suspect it was a troll and the second poster was the same as the first just trying to make us feel bad. Even if the second post was legit, that does not negate the fact that the first post was un-Christian like and mean spirited! She does not KNOW anyone on this board, what we have or have not done for the victims of Kartrina. She is basing her opinion solely on the fact that we will not 'loan' our RV's out! Give me a break! I gave money and I gave groceries. I cannot 'give' my RV because duh, I am living in it myself! Therefore, I feel she should hide her head in shame for pre-judging people when she actually has no right to judge anyone! That is God's right alone!
     
  19. SnowbirdInFlight

    SnowbirdInFlight Senior Member

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    P.S.
    If she were really a true Christian, she would come on here and apologize for her un-Christian like behavior. In my humble opinion if she had been a true follower of Jesus she would not have posted in the first place unless she had something good to say!
     
  20. Krazeehorse

    Krazeehorse New Member

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    Well Snowbird, I presume you know that Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. And if you go back and delete all the posts that were negative and didn't have something good to say this thread would be gone.
     

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