You may want to try the popuptimes.com message board. There are alot of folks on there that have these hybrids and there may be some with Kiwis, also there is another website that someone on that board might be able to direct you to for hybrids only. I don't recall what that site is. From what we have seen the Kiwi's seem to made really well, and are very popular. These hybrids have been out about maybe 2 and half years and new models get better each year. Good luck!